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now our interview with

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former professor michael rechtenwald

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what i want to start with is talking

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the fact that you're a former marxist is

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that

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yeah it's true

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absolutely true so this reminds me of

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the david horowitz uh

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story and we actually interviewed him a

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couple months ago i loved

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his book um about his path

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and you know on this show we've covered

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a lot of different subjects but you know

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one of them is

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what's going on in our universities not

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to mention our our

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k-12 schools and this marxist ideology

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that's out there

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and but to some extent i have trouble

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believing it it's like i i say it i hear

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it

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tr you're saying truly was

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a marxist so first right could you just

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tell us a little bit about that and

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convince us that you're not making that

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up just to

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for effect okay well i i was a

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what i call the left communist uh that

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is i believed in the uh

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revolution but i was uh not happy about

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the bolshevik revolution which

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i believe that the workers could take

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over the means of production

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and then the state would be coterminous

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with the with the people

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and as such would disappear um and so i

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that's called left communism and so i am

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a marxist

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uh an orthodox i was i was i'm sorry

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i was a marxist an orthodox marxist

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and uh yeah i wrote for uh numerous

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uh marxist publications published

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articles on all kinds of topics uh

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economics political economy of course

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but also on the singularity

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and marxism i wrote about marxism and

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identity politics uh i wrote a lot of

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stuff on marxism and i was a true

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believer

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i tried to join a trotskyist sect but

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they wouldn't have me they said i was

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too bourgeois

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so i'm happy about that because who

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knows how long i would have been stuck

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in mouthing a decrepit uh defunct

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uh line a political line and then ended

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up you know

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knowing that it's crazy in the end so uh

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you were a marxist while at what nyu

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while at nyu

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that's right and how how unique was it

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to be a marxist at nyu

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not at all it was it was very common in

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fact it was just another flavor of

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leftism that you could be

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and there are many flavors of leftism

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you could be just about any one of them

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without a problem

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but would you say that all the flavors

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really do have

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whether you call it marxism or not

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collectivism

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got an ethos of marxists all of them

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have an ethos of marxism under them the

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under dogism if you will that you know

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overcoming the powerful

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or overcoming the ruling class

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or overcoming the patriarchy

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or overcoming or overcoming any way that

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the the power differential supposedly

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and or some aspects of people like race

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etc etc they're all share the ethos of

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and that is this kind of idea that

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you're underneath this power

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that you have to overthrow and

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society well marx would declaim that he

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he said he wasn't a utopian and what he

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meant was that he didn't try to

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prescribe what the marx what the

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socialist world would look like

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that was just a ruse on his part to keep

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totalitarianism every time but

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in which you know everybody has equal

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uh but you know having come out of that

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leads to totalitarianism

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there's no other way what do you think

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to you of it well i was kind of uh

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idealist and uh kind of i guess

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you might say i'm naive about human

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uh i was pretty naive i i did read and

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economic treatises but there were some

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things that i didn't know

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um but i would say the allure is just

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this notion that we can have a vastly

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world and uh and that we wouldn't

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live in this competitive society now i

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recognize

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competition now is actually the key

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to freedom uh and that

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individual rights and autonomy are the

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key to freedom and there are no other

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kind of rights

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so um you know i was i was wrong

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um but you know what happened is

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when you go to graduate school and i

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in advertising before i went to graduate

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graduate school everything had changed

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all they kept feeding me were these

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neo-marxists and so forth that really if

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basically imbibe this stuff and sooner

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when that's all you're reading uh it's

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isn't there also an elitism to it oh

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there's an elite of elitism about

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all leftism all left wait which seems

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about everybody being

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the same and us all working together

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and ethical system they're the only ones

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the class structure or the patriarchy or

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what have you or or white privilege and

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themselves absolutely that even though

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they're among the elites

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right nonetheless care about the little

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that's right i i didn't think i was in

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the elite when i was a professor at nyu

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working class emancipation

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but you know that's completely absurd

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professor and uh you know i hardly

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had the kind of working class life that

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that marx had uh claimed was

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just a miserable miserable life right

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with no control over your time

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general population is kind of dumb

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ideology or something like that the

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irony there is that the marxists are

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duped by ideology they're the ones that

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indoctrination ideological they're

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framework that was imposed on them they

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worldview and also

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makes them feel like an underdog no

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that leftism has an underdog ism about

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everything they still believe that

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it's unbelievable and what does it mean

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ideology on people

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on students i always thought that was

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the wrong thing to do in the classroom

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that i kept my ideological frame out of

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ideological frame by introducing

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readings completely at odds with it and

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imposed that but what is it is being

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uh political framework or ideology is

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western white men are the evil of the

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the western uh european and american

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civilization it's just unbelievable they

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have a very cartoon version of history

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so is there any moment you can point to

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that caused your conversion

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well the beginning of it was when i

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started to criticize

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the social justice warriors on campus

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and the kind of institutional adoption

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of

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social justice ideas and policies

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when they instituted a bias reporting

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hotline on campus

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and when trigger warnings and safe faces

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and shutting down speakers who came from

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outside and not letting them speak when

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all this became

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it all came together in the fall of 2016

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and then after i re after i criticized

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these these ideas i was

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attacked savagely by leftists

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both in the university and outside of it

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and then i realized what kind of

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totalitarians these people

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were and then i said i don't want

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anything to do with these people i

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i want nothing to do with the left ever

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and so my my conversion was political

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first

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and then it became economic when i

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started to read more deeply

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and what ultimately led to your

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departure from nyu

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well i mean they made my life impossible

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there they moved

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after i was attacked by these people uh

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viciously they moved

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my office instead of chastising these

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people or punishing them in any way

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after they had done

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outrageous things to me like they moved

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well like creating an email well they

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had

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they used the official nyu listserv

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their email list

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to call me every name in the book so

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they were just

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disparaging me uh ruining my reputation

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across the whole

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a program that i taught him and sorry

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they

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is students or faculty or faculty

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faculty called you know writing these

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emails calling me

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fascists racist nazi uh white

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supremacists

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uh white i mean just unbelievable so

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and you have to understand that i was in

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a department without tenure

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you had to be renewed every so many

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years for me i was on

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five-year contract so they had totally

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polluted the waters

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there so that i would never be renewed

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by any

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committee that would be drawn from the

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same faculty

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that was denouncing me all over the

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place even though i'd never done

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anything like

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what they referred to you know you know

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better than

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uh you must know now and so many people

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do that these names mean nothing

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on anything it's racist i mean i never

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said a racist thing

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publicly in my life so um

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it was complete uh then they moved my

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office to the russian department

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which was an irony i liked they

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basically pushed me into my own personal

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gulag as i like to say

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they put me in this room with no books

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metal shelves they

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refused to the university refused to

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have my books moved

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i was completely uh sequestered and

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isolated

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so that means that it wasn't just the

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faculty the administration played a role

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in this

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totally behind it as well they were

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completely

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cowing to or else in agreement with

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these

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people that had libeled me and uh

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you know uh decla you know defamation of

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character that ruined my career at nyu

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just absolutely ruined it they moved me

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to the russian department

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and basically they just made my life

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miserable so i

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finally came out i sued them i sued the

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university and these professors

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seems like an obvious question but would

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you send your son or daughter

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to nyu i did but i wouldn't again when i

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was teaching there my son was able to go

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for no tuition

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so uh we took advantage of that but i

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would send my son or daughter to that or

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most

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where where'd you send them is there is

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there a university

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come out to work actually get a job and

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uh learn to uh

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make money and learn to be an

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entrepreneur because

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you know at this rate you can be

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cancelled from anything from any

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university from any corporation

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anything you do might be deemed you know

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unwoke and that's the end of you so i

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would

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encourage them and i do encourage them

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to be entrepreneurial frankly

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so now let's talk a little bit about

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some of your writings since

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uh since your conversion you can call it

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that

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today

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as far as you know where is this country

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on the march toward this uh collectivism

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totalitarian utopian uh

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socialist dream well it's

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you know as i predicted it wasn't going

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to stay in the university and this is

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obviously

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well past the borders of the university

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this is now everywhere right

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so we're living in a you know like this

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sort of

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first of all with the covid crisis this

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sort of total

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before the covet crisis what did we we

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were dealing with cancel culture

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we were dealing with uh these leftist

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authoritarians running the internet

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uh basically uh running everything

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outside of the state

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and even parts of the state of course

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including local governments but

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you know we had let we have leftist

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authoritarians running

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basically the public square in effect

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because the public square is now a

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digital

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square and everything else is rather

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irrelevant or ineffectual

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so that's where we were and then with

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covid we we

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antici which i anticipated when the

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virus was announced that it would be a

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move

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it would it would allow or provide a

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pretext for

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the state and the leftist authoritarians

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to even

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up their game and to you know create

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lockdowns and you know all universal

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masking

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and you know closing downs closing down

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of businesses and

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uh and the whole nine yards and and

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maybe even

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uh the the mandating of a universal

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vaccine which is possible i think

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um if it's not going to be issued by the

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state it'll be issued by

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corporations such that you can't go

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anywhere or do anything unless you're

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vaccinated maybe

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that's that's the prospect i think is on

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the horizon

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not too far so we're we're under

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leftist authoritarianism in the whole

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country now in every respect

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well yeah i mean certainly they've

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gotten the universities

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they've gotten the media i presume you

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would say mainstream oh yes the media

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um social media big tech we definitely

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want to

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talk about that and then also um the big

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cities because

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yes even though you've got a republican

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senate and a democrat house and

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trump was president et cetera but if you

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look at the big cities

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that's where most of the population is

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and not to mention california which

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you know the legislature is over 75

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percent democrat i mean it's a

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total monopoly here in california yeah

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so it's it's yeah it's further along

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than people

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um might think um as far as

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covid in the in the vaccine let's just

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talk about that for a second so

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there's some wild stuff going on out

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there as far as people asserting that

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this is some grand conspiracy to

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vaccinate the entire public

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and it puts some dna in you and it

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changes you permanently and now we track

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you and this and that

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so and that kind of leads into things

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going on in

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in your in your book uh but

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can i presume that that you're not in

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that camp that you believe that's some

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sinister vaccine

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no i'm i'm not anti-vaxx per se

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what i'm talking about is mandating

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something

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that then will be used as a pretext for

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restricting your freedoms if you don't

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accept it

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and there are a lot of reasons not to

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accept it not not

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not the least of which is it's brand new

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and we don't know what's going to happen

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i mean wouldn't you rather have somebody

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else take it first

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and see how they react to it rather than

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being first in line

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but uh just the means it's just another

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means for a kind of totalitarian control

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it's not it's not to me that they're

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trying to change my dna or put implant

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microchips in my brain and so on and so

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forth although this stuff

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is possible okay but it's not in the

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vaccine

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there are there are people that are

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promoting this and there's technology

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that can accomplish it but

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i don't believe the vaccine is part of

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that

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is it truly a desire for totalitarian

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control

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as opposed to just a lack of

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appreciation for individual freedom

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and individuals i mean those are two

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sides of the same coin

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i think you can and you can get if once

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you've indoctrinated a great deal of the

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population into leftism

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and all leftism is authoritarian

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then they take on the mandates with glee

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you know they you know they br they

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don the mask with pride and uh you know

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virtue and uh and they also like to

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comply and they like to make others

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comply they're little authoritarians

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running around

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i'm sure you've encountered something

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right and of course and very demeaning

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to people and belittling and look down

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upon people who

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try who dare suggest that their

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individual freedom is at stake when it

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comes to taking the vaccine or wearing

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the mask

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right are they they're very much

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collectivists and they want to do

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you know they think that you know

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everybody that's resisting any

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of this is selfish and so on meanwhile

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it's quite selfish that millions of

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people are starving

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because of these lockdowns the way that

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it has

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impacted the economy and the supply

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chains across

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the world in in in interestingly enough

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in africa where black people live

574
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,080
mostly mostly black people i mean and uh

575
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,159
these are black lives matter activists

576
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,039
basically starving out black people

577
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,159
it's really ironic and uh yeah

578
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:51,679
um so there's complicity on the part of

579
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:52,000
the

580
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,039
well but it's

581
00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:02,320
also an acceptance of it uh

582
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,480
and there is an impulse of of

583
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,480
totalitarian control on the left

584
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,520
and all leftist leaders exhibited

585
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,000
so you have those two things working

586
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,200
together

587
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,840
and in describing that it's because of

588
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,520
this perhaps elitism that

589
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,200
they know better and the people are kind

590
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,760
of dumb they always know better

591
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:25,600
they know better what's good for you and

592
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,400
you can't be left to your own devices

593
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,039
this is the key you can't be left

594
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,480
freedom is too expensive for you to have

595
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:37,200
your freedom is a threat to the common

596
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,760
good

597
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,240
as they put it so that has to be

598
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,360
curtailed

599
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:44,559
this

600
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,200
individual freedom has to take a back

601
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,679
seat to the collective

602
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,400
right right and and they have no problem

603
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,679
with that whatsoever because

604
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,559
they love it they embrace it yeah they

605
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,320
they just don't put that much value on

606
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:08,080
the idea of individual freedom i mean

607
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,520
you know what i say is

608
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,640
you know the the some people say that oh

609
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,840
people aren't smart enough to make their

610
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,360
own decision about the vaccine they just

611
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,559
need to make it or they're not smart

612
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,080
enough to make a decision about 16-ounce

613
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,000
soda or whatever and

614
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,400
whether that's true or not at the end of

615
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,520
the day

616
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,640
someone is free to do dumb things you

617
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,559
have the freedom to do dumb things

618
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,320
if you can't have freedom to make

619
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,159
mistakes how do you learn anything and

620
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,039
so you can't constrain people to have a

621
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:38,400
risk-free uh mistake-free

622
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,159
life uh making a mistake is an inherent

623
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,559
right i have a right to make a mistake

624
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,480
as long as i'm not infringing on anyone

625
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,240
else's rights

626
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:50,320
uh so yeah right and and making a bad

627
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,440
argument or

628
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,520
or what have you you know is it an

629
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:55,520
inherent right and it's how you come to

630
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,159
the truth

631
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,080
so you know like when it comes to the

632
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,559
vaccine you know i think we're already

633
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,960
seeing some attempts to suppress speech

634
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,480
about the vaccine you're not allowed to

635
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,000
criticize this vaccine

636
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,080
yeah john stuart mill said this very

637
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:09,600
well in non-liberty

638
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:12,880
in 1859 that

639
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,000
at a time in which unpopular speech even

640
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,360
dangerous speech uh it's

641
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,039
when when some speech is deemed

642
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,559
unpopular and dangerous

643
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,960
it's all the more necessary to allow

644
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,159
that speech to be

645
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:28,799
voiced right in order to come to the

646
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,080
right conclusions

647
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,600
yeah tucker carlson actually had a good

648
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,600
little segment on this yesterday that

649
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,840
you know telling people to shut up is

650
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,640
not what's going to

651
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,200
convince them to take this vaccine you

652
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,799
need a dialogue you need to convince

653
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,679
them so let's hear

654
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,679
these people that are concerned about it

655
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,880
let's hear their concerns

656
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,720
let them voice their concerns in the

657
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,240
open market of ideas and

658
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,799
let's have it out we will eliminate some

659
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,320
objections and we'll

660
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,400
maybe some others wouldn't be eliminated

661
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,799
it's but you have to voice it first

662
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,080
and the same thing goes with a

663
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,120
fraudulent election right

664
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,760
okay you know is that not po do we not

665
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,799
know that there was fraud in this

666
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,240
election of course there was

667
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,240
some level of fraud there's some level

668
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,840
fraud in every single election

669
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,679
right there's always a degree of fraud

670
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:15,520
right and how are we ever going to find

671
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,080
out

672
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,240
to what extent it exists if we don't

673
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,559
allow a free exchange of ideas about it

674
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,640
yeah this has just been squelched black

675
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,679
hole you know

676
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,799
memory holder completely banished

677
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,960
so so in one of your books leading up to

678
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,799
your current book which was i think the

679
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:32,480
google archipelago

680
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:36,720
book you talk about big tech right and

681
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:40,559
you know it just help us understand why

682
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:44,559
a google slash youtube or a facebook or

683
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:44,880
a

684
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,960
more the better more controversy the

685
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,760
better more

686
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,440
why would you limit anything i mean if

687
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,799
you ban something that means you don't

688
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,799
get to sell advertising on it so

689
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,640
help us understand what's going on there

690
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,640
well i mean it goes back to their

691
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:08,559
political ideology i mean they are

692
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,840
leftists and that that's another

693
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,240
curious thing is why are these major

694
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,600
tech oligarchs

695
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,600
leftists and and their employees are

696
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,200
leftists too

697
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,760
um and they're authoritarians

698
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:23,200
necessarily

699
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,799
um it's a

700
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,760
there's a i have a theory about this and

701
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,320
it

702
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,679
is that leftism is really

703
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,799
in line with their objectives

704
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,520
with their commercial objectives as as

705
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:41,200
as a matter of fact

706
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,679
uh they need to create a kind of uh

707
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,880
they're looking to create a kind of

708
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,679
two-tiered system of oligarchs on top

709
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,640
and everybody else kind of equal below

710
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,640
this kind of equality on the ground

711
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,799
while you have these oligarchs on top

712
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,880
dictating what's allowed and what's not

713
00:27:01,269 --> 00:27:00,240
which is most socialist countries in

714
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,279
most third world countries

715
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,480
exactly but why does big why does big

716
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,679
tech want that

717
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,000
they spread the ideology of socialism

718
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:10,080
and they squelch anything oppositional

719
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,440
to it if possible

720
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:14,320
because this is in their interests and

721
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,799
this

722
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
also explains why they're so dead deeply

723
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,120
in bed with china

724
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,440
and i could go into the many ways that

725
00:27:26,909 --> 00:27:24,159
big tech is deeply in bed with china

726
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,919
uh they they share a political and

727
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,080
socio-economic

728
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,120
model and that is very similar to that

729
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,120
in china they want

730
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:36,240
this kind of state-controlled monopolies

731
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:39,840
or semi-monopolies on top

732
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,960
with equality for the masses and

733
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,279
and the kind of reduced expectations for

734
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,200
everybody

735
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,679
and and do you think that that emanates

736
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,279
from a political

737
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,720
ideology or a capitalist ideology

738
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:57,840
it's both um it's not capitalist it's

739
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,760
it's a it's a corporatist ideology

740
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,440
free market is not what they're

741
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,039
interested in

742
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,440
they don't want a free market they want

743
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:09,520
to monopolize as

744
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,440
much as possible their industries and

745
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,520
to have as much control over the

746
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,480
population as they possibly can

747
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,880
they're statists really at base these

748
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:21,840
people

749
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:25,679
they want to be the state they have even

750
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,000
said

751
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:28,559
nation states are irrelevant now we the

752
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,039
state

753
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:31,760
is basically google is you know wants to

754
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,080
be

755
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,200
the state uh they their status

756
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,159
who want power and they want to have a

757
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,440
certain control

758
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,399
of the population notice how for example

759
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,240
google never

760
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:47,200
never ever or youtube for example you'll

761
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,480
never see a

762
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,840
socialist video taken down even though

763
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,600
socialists have killed more people

764
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,279
historically than any other

765
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,039
political group in history um you know

766
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,159
they've committed more political crimes

767
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,480
and killed more political people for

768
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,240
political purposes

769
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,720
than any other political ideology on the

770
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,080
face of the earth yet

771
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,760
they're never censored they're never

772
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:14,240
taken down they're never even chided

773
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,200
they're never

774
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,840
you could be a maoist and and promote

775
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,559
maoism of course mao killed 60 million

776
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:21,919
people

777
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,799
but that's never like you can't possibly

778
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:26,880
say anything about supremacism or

779
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,159
recipient supremacist even though peop

780
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,000
four times more people have been killed

781
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,279
in the name of uh

782
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,679
equality than have been killed in the

783
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,600
name of supremacy

784
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,720
and yet only supremacist ideas are or

785
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,760
disallowed so so big big tech

786
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,760
primarily grew out of the san francisco

787
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,080
bay area and the seattle

788
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:51,520
area right if it had instead grown out

789
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:52,159
of

790
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,320
texas dallas texas or houston

791
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,000
texas do you think it would have been

792
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,559
different that's a good question

793
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:03,039
um that's that goes to the question is

794
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,000
is big tech

795
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:07,039
leftists just because the people who

796
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,120
work there and run it are leftists

797
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,360
um um you know i think that

798
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,840
first of all silicon valley grew out of

799
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,399
you know

800
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:20,720
south bay and that's just where it was

801
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,520
located

802
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,200
there's a lot of reasons for that and

803
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,960
i've looked into the history of silicon

804
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,480
valley

805
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,399
it just so happens that there were other

806
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,480
technologies that were developed out

807
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,200
there

808
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,840
you know in and around stanford that

809
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,080
just made silicon valley the right place

810
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,600
for this to happen

811
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,679
then it just so happens that that the

812
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,880
people in those

813
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,200
regions are generally leftists although

814
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,039
not in the south bay as you probably

815
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,880
know

816
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,880
not as much as yeah although a lot of

817
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,320
their employees are coming

818
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,440
especially the younger ones you know

819
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,480
they're coming from san francisco

820
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:53,600
they're coming from the cities

821
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:56,960
yeah right so i don't think it's

822
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,919
a sufficient explanation to suggest that

823
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,000
they're only leftist because

824
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,519
leftists work there and therefore the pl

825
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,640
their ideology is leftist it lines up

826
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,039
too well with their politics and their

827
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,320
interests as well yeah in other words

828
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:17,679
if this leftism political ideology which

829
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,000
i think

830
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:21,120
we agree permeates these these places

831
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,840
from

832
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,240
in all levels if that was totally

833
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,799
contrary ultimately to their economic

834
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,640
interests they wouldn't then they would

835
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:30,640
butt heads that would butt heads and

836
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:31,360
they're not

837
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,279
they roll over at the

838
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,760
at the leftist uh demands of their

839
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,039
employees for example

840
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,640
but what i think it might mean for the

841
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:42,320
answer to my question is that

842
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:45,519
if instead it had started in texas

843
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,039
that i i mean a relatively

844
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:51,200
moderate or conservative ideology i

845
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,399
don't think is bad for business

846
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:53,840
necessarily either

847
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,960
so so you know without without that left

848
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,840
culture and

849
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,039
you know let's face it this left culture

850
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:01,679
i mean you you talked about it at nyu

851
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,360
this pc culture this woke culture it's

852
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,440
it's highly pressurized i mean you saw

853
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:08,960
what happened to you

854
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,320
it's it's it's enforced by mobs

855
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:14,960
uh it's it's enforced with vehemence i

856
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:15,360
mean

857
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,320
this is not just hey you think what you

858
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,919
want and i'll think what i want not at

859
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,720
all

860
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,720
yeah i mean it's you know los angeles i

861
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,000
mean you don't dare

862
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,760
put a trump bumper sticker on your on

863
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,240
your car i mean we'll do that here in

864
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,720
pittsburgh you can't do that here either

865
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,320
you'll get your windows smashed in while

866
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,080
you go to the store right

867
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,840
biden you're free to do that and you're

868
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,519
gonna you're gonna be totally fine

869
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,880
nobody's gonna bother you if you put a

870
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,840
bison but you put a

871
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:42,159
trump sign on and and by the way trump

872
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,279
was extremely

873
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,600
polarizing we all recognize that but

874
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,559
ain't gonna change in

875
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,480
in four years if it was a ted cruz if he

876
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,760
had been the guy

877
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,039
guarantee you people wouldn't have been

878
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,880
able to put a cruise bumper sticker on

879
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:53,679
either right

880
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,679
true um so

881
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,200
and then how about similar question but

882
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,360
how about just billionaires in general

883
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,600
why is it that billionaires

884
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,159
tend to be leftist you know that's a

885
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,320
very good question but they do and

886
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,279
there's a lot of history to validate

887
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,720
this you know because people have

888
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,320
generally thought well

889
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,960
you know right-wing ideology goes better

890
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,559
with capitalism

891
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,960
that's not really true historically or

892
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:23,600
even

893
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,320
it has to do with the monopolistic

894
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,080
tendencies

895
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:34,640
you know it is no surprise that the

896
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,279
soviet

897
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,440
bolshevik revolution was actually funded

898
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,880
by wall street bankers

899
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,039
this is a this is fact it's not

900
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:43,120
conspiracy they were funded by wall

901
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,919
street

902
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:46,399
bankers and bankers in england and

903
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:46,960
bankers

904
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,559
in germany they wanted to create a

905
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,200
captive

906
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,720
colony there where they would have

907
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,960
control over production and everybody

908
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,960
else would just work

909
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,360
so their monopolistic tendencies is why

910
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:00,720
they're leftist

911
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,720
leftists intense towards monopoly and

912
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,679
authoritarianism works to help them

913
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,919
establish it

914
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,839
is is do you think there's an element

915
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:11,919
also of um

916
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,639
embarrassment of riches that that's

917
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,440
apostle

918
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,280
there's that too there's the sense of

919
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,480
guilt or shame over being rich

920
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,200
and uh you know so but that has to be

921
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:25,119
that's already leftism in the first

922
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,240
place right

923
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:28,320
when you have when you're guilt-tripped

924
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,359
and to be for

925
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:32,480
for your privilege or or whatever you're

926
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,079
already bought into leftist ideas

927
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,560
and how about how much of it is is is

928
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,320
protection money

929
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,760
because they're paying off the state

930
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,240
hang up the state and the people i mean

931
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,879
these these mobs these um

932
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:51,359
you know antifa mobs black lives matter

933
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,919
mobs

934
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,960
you know marxist i mean in my view

935
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,960
they're coming for jeff bezos they're

936
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,640
coming for his house he doesn't know

937
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,520
that but yeah

938
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,599
i think that's true in fact you know

939
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,960
specifically you'll see his name on

940
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,920
signs

941
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,839
sometimes i don't know why you don't see

942
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,040
zuckerberg as much maybe

943
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,520
the name is too big but you'll see jeff

944
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,800
bezos's name

945
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,200
on these signs so yeah that's where i

946
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,560
get to the protection money thing where

947
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,680
they're basically like

948
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,680
whoa whoa whoa guys what are you talking

949
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:19,280
about don't come after me i'm with you

950
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,000
guys

951
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,320
yeah they but yeah that's that's there's

952
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,359
that too i wouldn't

953
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:26,079
i'm not saying that this is all these

954
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,480
are

955
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,599
mutually exclusive explanations

956
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,440
i just don't think any one of them in

957
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,599
particular is sufficient

958
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,480
uh they're necessary but not sufficient

959
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,000
but i do think

960
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:41,200
that um part of it is buying off this

961
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,240
leftist

962
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:45,119
constituency to keep them from attacking

963
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,359
you

964
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,720
yeah so walk us through the current path

965
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,079
that we're on

966
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,000
yeah where is it heading and i think

967
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,839
that that leads into if you could talk

968
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,000
about your book a little bit uh um

969
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,760
but if we stay on this course where is

970
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,599
it heading

971
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,160
well um i think we're looking at uh you

972
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:04,640
know if this great reset for example i

973
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,359
don't know if you're

974
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,920
at all familiar with it if this gets

975
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,359
embraced and it is being

976
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:12,640
embraced by a number of major u.s

977
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:16,079
corporations and states like canada and

978
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:16,560
i think

979
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:19,760
biden if this gets instituted we're

980
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,720
looking at a kind of

981
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,480
neo-techno-feudalism in effect and that

982
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,079
is a kind of uh

983
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,040
this two-tiered system again but with

984
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:32,240
using technology to control the public

985
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,160
uh using ai you know with smart cities

986
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,520
so i think china is in a way the model

987
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,359
they don't want the chinese to invade

988
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:42,880
the united states

989
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:46,079
as some politicians seem to suggest but

990
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,040
they do have

991
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,440
highly functioning wealth producing

992
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,839
corporations

993
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,480
with a total con you know a really

994
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,079
highly controlled

995
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,119
population controlled population that

996
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,040
that's the future if it keeps going this

997
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,320
way

998
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,760
and there's a lot there's a lot of

999
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,240
people that look at china's

1000
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,720
models being okay it's more efficient

1001
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,560
look how quickly they can build roads

1002
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,280
look how

1003
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,720
cheaply they were able to build their

1004
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,960
bullet trains yeah that's funny that's

1005
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,480
like saying you know

1006
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:19,200
you know stalin is saying you know uh

1007
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,079
when they point out

1008
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,400
you know 20 million killed you know or

1009
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,680
20 or 30.

1010
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:26,400
yeah but look at the railroads you know

1011
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,960
i mean

1012
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:29,200
you know that hardly compensates but

1013
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,000
yeah i think

1014
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,720
china kills uh like 50 million

1015
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,960
dissidents a year

1016
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:37,599
and they also put you know the wiggers

1017
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,720
in in prison

1018
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,440
and they're also taking uh by the

1019
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,800
busload

1020
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,800
dissidents from hong kong and putting

1021
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:47,680
them in re-education camps

1022
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,880
uh that's what they do this is not some

1023
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:51,599
benign

1024
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,040
oh just another if we will liberalize if

1025
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,640
we do business with them that hasn't

1026
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,400
proven to be the truth at all

1027
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,240
and the people that made those bullet

1028
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,880
trains got paid about 25 cents an hour

1029
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:06,160
yeah what concerns me is it seemed like

1030
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,280
we were on a path

1031
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,680
of a wake-up call for americans about

1032
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,520
china in the risk of china and so on

1033
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,119
because we are asleep we are enjoying

1034
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,960
all the the the cheap stuff coming out

1035
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,680
of there

1036
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,000
walmart is everything's cheap at walmart

1037
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,359
thanks to china and

1038
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,480
we benefited from that quite a bit but

1039
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,280
it's a short-term benefit not long-term

1040
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:26,960
it seems like trump administration kind

1041
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,520
of

1042
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,440
woke everybody up to that a bit but you

1043
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,280
know just like with any administration

1044
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,040
you know the new one wants to do the

1045
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,599
opposite of the prior one

1046
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:38,480
so um it's really scary what this new

1047
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,440
administration

1048
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:42,400
is likely to do regarding china yeah

1049
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:42,960
it's very

1050
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,200
know it looks like his family has been

1051
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,640
in bed with them

1052
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,960
uh in this company that they were

1053
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,040
dealing with wasn't just some sort of an

1054
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:55,839
energy company they were also

1055
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:59,200
uh propagators of chinese political

1056
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,640
ideology

1057
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,599
and uh so this is not this is

1058
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,400
interesting it's

1059
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,680
it's a it's a scary scenario that he

1060
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:10,800
that biden will totally try to

1061
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,079
placate china and maybe even invite

1062
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,960
them further into our situation here

1063
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,240
which is already

1064
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,119
bad enough yeah freed zakaria was

1065
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,599
criticizing the policy toward china

1066
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,240
this sunday and calling it protectionism

1067
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,079
in america this is not the way the world

1068
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,640
is going this is america retreating to

1069
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,119
itself

1070
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:34,079
and being protectionists but i don't see

1071
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,520
that as what the objective was

1072
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,440
in what the goals of this administration

1073
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,720
have been no

1074
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:41,200
no not not to protect ourselves in that

1075
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,079
sense

1076
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,000
i think we were we were trying to

1077
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,480
protect our ideals

1078
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,760
from them being overridden by other ones

1079
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,000
by collectivist ideals like the kind of

1080
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,160
the permeate china

1081
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,800
we're trying to and get our our liberty

1082
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:57,920
against

1083
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,720
that's what i think is really being

1084
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,720
protected that's what i thought

1085
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,400
and i always thought you know make

1086
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,480
america great was about it wasn't about

1087
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:09,520
trying to like

1088
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,040
become some sort of jingoistic uh

1089
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,079
protectionistic uh closed

1090
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,720
society the idea was to uphold our

1091
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,480
values

1092
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,599
and to reinstate them and to re-express

1093
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,200
them and uh

1094
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,359
that's really what it meant to me yeah

1095
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,440
well here's a good quote that i

1096
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,839
read in talking about the vaccine i

1097
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,200
guess melinda gates and bill gates

1098
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,640
obviously have been out there advocating

1099
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,920
for

1100
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,280
the vaccine and not wanting people to

1101
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,560
criticize it but

1102
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,880
here's a quote from melinda gates one of

1103
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:44,640
the things i know about president-elect

1104
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,440
biden

1105
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,359
is he's not just thinking about how to

1106
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:48,640
keep americans

1107
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,839
about global leadership and how to keep

1108
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,880
everybody safe yeah that's the kind of

1109
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,000
leader that they want the

1110
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,280
the president of the united states is

1111
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,880
not supposed to put americans first

1112
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,160
they're supposed to

1113
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,920
put the world first that's what obama

1114
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,079
that's what obama did and that's why

1115
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,920
sorry to keep going but but that's why

1116
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,520
trump said that at the debate

1117
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,800
you know he's saying look it wasn't for

1118
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:12,400
you guys i would have i would have never

1119
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,119
won all right

1120
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:15,520
you know i wouldn't be here but for you

1121
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,240
guys

1122
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,079
right but i always said about the obama

1123
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:19,680
administrations they think they're the

1124
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,160
president

1125
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,480
of the world and i thought it was great

1126
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,640
how specific trump was and say no no no

1127
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,480
no i'm president for you guys

1128
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:29,040
and he even at global summits would tell

1129
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,400
the other leaders and by the way

1130
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,920
you guys should be the leaders for your

1131
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,920
country you should put your own people

1132
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,480
first

1133
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,400
that's why you have people all over the

1134
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,920
world actually

1135
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,920
championing trump because they see the

1136
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,560
same problems in their own countries

1137
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,480
that these globalists don't care about

1138
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,480
their particular interests

1139
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,000
and that they're putting the interests

1140
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,839
of the so-called world really what this

1141
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:50,960
means is

1142
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,079
they're not giving a crap about the uh

1143
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,160
economic well-being of their own

1144
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,520
citizens

1145
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,440
uh and their you know and their

1146
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,720
political well-being their

1147
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,800
their individual rights and so forth i

1148
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,359
mean you have people in japan

1149
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,160
i mean large crowds of people in japan

1150
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,400
after the election

1151
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:12,640
in in protest to what's happening in the

1152
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,829
let's go back to real quick to the reset

1153
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:19,200
because

1154
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,480
i mean i don't know how real this thing

1155
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:22,000
is and to be honest i i don't know much

1156
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,119
much about it

1157
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,880
isn't it a resetting of debt is that the

1158
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,480
major is it wiping out of debt

1159
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,000
part of it it's to reset the whole

1160
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:29,599
economy

1161
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:33,119
to get rid of carbon use to

1162
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,200
get rid of to change our habits to to

1163
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,560
greatly reduce consumption and

1164
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:43,680
to have a different look about economic

1165
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,079
growth

1166
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,280
they they decry the idea of

1167
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,640
growth as a goal for economics they say

1168
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:51,839
that we could shrink

1169
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:55,359
in fact the gdp of the world we should

1170
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,680
go

1171
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,640
the other way why is growth being always

1172
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,599
touted so they're

1173
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,640
talking about greatly changing our whole

1174
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,880
way of life and the united states is the

1175
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,200
big target because we're the big bad

1176
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,920
consumers and we're the ones that don't

1177
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,040
you know

1178
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:13,440
that haven't signed on to the paris a

1179
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,560
accord

1180
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,119
and so on we did and then got out of it

1181
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,400
but

1182
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,240
the the united states is the target

1183
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,000
they're the pop we're the population

1184
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,160
whose economic status they want to bring

1185
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,359
down

1186
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,839
definitely uh we're living at a too high

1187
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,760
of a rate of consumption and so on and

1188
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,880
so forth so

1189
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,480
that's that's one part of the great

1190
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,800
reset there there's other parts to it

1191
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,319
let me just say this though it's a

1192
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,400
propaganda campaign it's not like a

1193
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,680
fayette complete

1194
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,440
but there's some button even though they

1195
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,280
presented this this way that there's a

1196
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,720
button that you push

1197
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,599
that resets everything there this is a

1198
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,480
this is a

1199
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,800
world economic forum who's trying to get

1200
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,520
people to buy into their ideas

1201
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,280
you know this is not like a global

1202
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,800
conspiracy this is a propaganda campaign

1203
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,200
and why do leftists love climate change

1204
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:02,480
so much

1205
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,440
because it's a leftist need

1206
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,160
catastrophism

1207
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:08,960
in order to justify socialism they have

1208
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:09,520
to find

1209
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:13,200
something wrong so the economy you know

1210
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,839
with

1211
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,920
wealth production under capitalism that

1212
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,839
no longer became the issue

1213
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:20,240
too many working class people were doing

1214
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,200
fine

1215
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,000
so especially in the 50s and 60s so

1216
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,640
climate change came about as another way

1217
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,480
of justifying

1218
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,240
uh the need for socialism

1219
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,319
just as kovit is being used for that

1220
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:35,680
purpose yeah just

1221
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:39,520
just as uh you know george floyd black

1222
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,400
lives matter

1223
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,800
systemic racism is used for that yeah

1224
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,560
exactly all these things are

1225
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,280
just in fact socialists have been

1226
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,640
attempting to

1227
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,720
create racial tension in the united

1228
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,680
states for

1229
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,640
decades they've yeah in their writing

1230
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,839
you know

1231
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,599
explain why they they love racial

1232
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,280
tension

1233
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,800
uh because they want to point out that

1234
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,839
there's something endemically wrong with

1235
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,520
capitalism the capitalism produces

1236
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,800
racism racism

1237
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,960
is an effect of capitalism nothing could

1238
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:10,960
be further from the truth

1239
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,079
um it has nothing to do with capitalism

1240
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:15,920
capitalism doesn't create refining

1241
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:20,000
capitalism creates abolishes racism we

1242
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:20,319
don't

1243
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,829
somebody i buy something from or

1244
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:27,359
something that who's buying something

1245
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,400
for me is and

1246
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,319
you know the market actually takes care

1247
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,000
of racism

1248
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,920
uh what doesn't take care you know so

1249
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,280
they try to use

1250
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,240
racism as another pressure point to show

1251
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,240
the weakness of capitalism

1252
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,720
and then the climate catastrophism is

1253
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:43,599
another

1254
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,480
saying there's no global warming what i

1255
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:49,839
am saying is not

1256
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,800
nearly the catastrophe that they're

1257
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,119
painting it as

1258
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:57,760
yeah well again you never get two sides

1259
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,160
of the

1260
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,960
coin with covid you don't hear what

1261
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,640
lockdowns are doing that's negative we

1262
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,440
just see what

1263
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,599
it's doing is positive right climate

1264
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,960
change

1265
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,040
you don't hear about any of the benefits

1266
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,400
of climate change

1267
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,000
right there are benefits of course

1268
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,760
there's benefits yeah and

1269
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,480
and just to pick sometime in the history

1270
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,680
of time and say

1271
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,160
the weather in in 1950 that was the

1272
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,359
perfect weather for the world

1273
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,359
yeah right what what weather is about

1274
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,040
what what temperature

1275
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:27,040
is the right one where did this come

1276
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,640
from is there some

1277
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,400
where did we get the right temperature

1278
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,680
from yeah

1279
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,839
i i mean we all adjust when the weather

1280
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,200
changes um

1281
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,560
the world can adjust when the weather

1282
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,680
changes especially when we're just

1283
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,880
talking about a couple

1284
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,359
degrees you know and not to mention that

1285
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:42,720
you know the cost of it is just

1286
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,920
um insane so so to

1287
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,079
to kind of get us toward the end here so

1288
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:49,680
so tell us a little bit about the new

1289
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,319
book and

1290
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,560
and and how many years we are away from

1291
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,400
this dystopian society you

1292
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,119
you depict in the book well we're not

1293
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,640
inevitably

1294
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,400
any amount of years away none of this

1295
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,480
has to happen okay so i'll make that

1296
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,200
clear this is a pre-monetary

1297
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:07,599
warning i'm i'm sending out it's not

1298
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,240
like this is where we're headed

1299
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,680
so the book is cast to say

1300
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,520
i don't want to give it a specific time

1301
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,079
because it could happen sooner if it

1302
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,839
happens it could happen later if it

1303
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,880
happens but

1304
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,800
i cast it into the future and there's

1305
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,000
this future in which we

1306
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:25,680
don't live in the united states here we

1307
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:29,839
live in a global federation of pandemos

1308
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,880
uh and pandemos it does sound like

1309
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,400
pandemia

1310
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,160
but it isn't about the pandemic

1311
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:38,160
necessarily pandemos means a

1312
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:45,589
and there's this database and processing

1313
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,640
system called collective mind

1314
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:51,280
and collective mind is like the vast

1315
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,319
knowledge

1316
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,440
storage system and processing system

1317
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,800
and regulation system that runs

1318
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,839
the pandemos federation and what they're

1319
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,559
trying to do

1320
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:05,520
is connect everybody to collective mind

1321
00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:06,640
vis-a-vis

1322
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,440
nanobots that would connect to the

1323
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,839
neocortex

1324
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,240
and receive signals from and send

1325
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,720
signals to collective mind

1326
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,839
there's a group especially led by one

1327
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,000
character who are deviationists they're

1328
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:22,319
called thought deviationists because

1329
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,040
they're trying

1330
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,359
to resist getting the virus which is

1331
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,200
what they call the nanobots

1332
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,480
they're not telling people that's what

1333
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,200
the virus is but that's what it is

1334
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,800
and he they're trying to resist the

1335
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,359
virus and the vaccine

1336
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,680
that they're trying to administer is not

1337
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,839
a vaccine against the virus

1338
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,960
it's actually a vaccine that actually

1339
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,240
facilitates and

1340
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,359
amplifies the effects of the virus so

1341
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,559
these people are called

1342
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:51,920
thought deviationists vaccine resistors

1343
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:54,960
and in his case banned researchers

1344
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,000
and so they form a network to

1345
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:01,359
try to subvert this

1346
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,359
system and again it's not something that

1347
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,040
you're saying

1348
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,960
is something that's going on today it's

1349
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:10,800
not something going on with this

1350
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:13,839
vaccine no

1351
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,440
i'm trying to it's metaphorical you know

1352
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,079
does the vaccine connect us to a collect

1353
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:22,000
does the virus connect us to a

1354
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,040
collective mind

1355
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,000
in a way it does the the the way the

1356
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,319
virus has been used

1357
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,640
to control our thinking or to make us

1358
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,559
think in a certain way

1359
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,480
so in a way this is a metaphor for

1360
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,760
what's happening but it's

1361
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,599
projected into the future so that it

1362
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:38,960
doesn't necessarily

1363
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,000
have anything to do with today yeah well

1364
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,599
and i know your book has been compared

1365
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,680
to orwell's 1984

1366
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,119
in the same sense that that was

1367
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,720
projecting into the future and now we

1368
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:50,800
sit here today and we see a lot of

1369
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,079
what orwell had in that book happening

1370
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:55,920
right in fact you've heard people call

1371
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:59,200
this covet 1984.

1372
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,559
uh just makes perfect sense yeah i mean

1373
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,880
and i've you hear the joke too on on the

1374
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,760
web

1375
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,079
so about the left you know didn't you

1376
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:10,720
know that 1984 was not an instruction

1377
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,890
manual

1378
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,920
[Music]

1379
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:16,079
and that seems to be how they're using

1380
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,040
it yeah

1381
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,240
and last question and you said it's not

1382
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,760
inevitable so

1383
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,400
what is the path out of this what what

1384
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,079
is your optimistic

1385
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,400
well you right now in the united states

1386
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,480
of america we have a constitution we

1387
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,240
have a bill of rights and we also have

1388
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,280
more i think almost more importantly

1389
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,720
a tradition and a history of belief

1390
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:41,839
in the values of individual liberty

1391
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,640
and that is what will save us in the end

1392
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
that we will use against we'll use that

1393
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,880
and stand it up against

1394
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,280
these other possibilities that are being

1395
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,960
foisted on us

1396
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,680
and that holding on to that that

1397
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:58,559
tradition that

1398
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,839
great history and that you know that

1399
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:02,319
whole

1400
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,839
veneration of individual rights will be

1401
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:08,079
what actually saves us from this kind of

1402
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,200
collectivism

1403
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,520
even though it's being eroded as we

1404
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,440
speak even though it's being eroded

1405
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,359
because even as it's being eroded there

1406
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,720
are more

1407
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,920
thought deviationists being produced

1408
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:22,480
now there are more people that are

1409
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,520
resisting it

1410
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:26,000
real resistance i think now so you

1411
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,040
actually

1412
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,359
seriously i mean you're optimistic

1413
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,280
seeing the way people are

1414
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,599
responding because i get depressed

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sometimes because californians

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are in my view acting like sheep in in

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many way

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and one of my theories is it's like well

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jim you're not out in the street

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protesting speaking of myself i'm like

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yeah because

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it's very comfortable in my house you

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know i'm not allowed to leave my house

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but guess what i got a big screen

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television and i got a

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cell phone and a computer and and a nice

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uh deck

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so you know getting people to go out

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into the street and really oppose this

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is i don't think it's necessary to go

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out into the street

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um that's the leftist routine right uh

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00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:10,559
collectivist resistance the collectivist

1434
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,760
at protesting all that that's their

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playbook

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00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,559
you know i've even heard people on the

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right using some of the same phrases the

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00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,280
left foot

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00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:21,359
uses like whose streets are streets i

1440
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was like nauseated when i heard that

1441
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okay well i'm feeling better so i don't

1442
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need to go out in the street so so so

1443
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,480
what do we

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00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:31,680
individualists need to do we need to

1445
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:34,880
we we need to resist and to continue to

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00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,440
to to present these individualist

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values and never to never to resign them

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00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,200
and then to keep expressing them and

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00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:46,400
just to

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00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,400
not to be in a massive of uh

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00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,160
like the leftists on the street but to

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be in a network

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00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,480
of as i put it in the book a network of

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thought deviationists

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who will won't succumb that's it

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just wants to come thank you again to

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the professor you can check out his

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00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,480
books

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00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,400
springtime for snowflakes about his time

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00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:11,440
at nyu on amazon in his new book

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00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:14,559
thought criminal the 1984 of the covet

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era

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also available on amazon thank you to

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our producer michael parker thank you

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00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:20,640
all for listening we'll be back with

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show

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thank you for listening to the hidden

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00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:31,280
truth show with jim breslow

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00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,800
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